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Si.. il titolo è un po' ambiguo, non è che voglio un Frank Hadden o un Eddie Sullivan da mettermi sul comodino, è che io e il mio amico Francesco, con cui abbiamo creato il sito www.seinazioni.net, stiamo cercando di migliorarlo e di preparare una veste grafica nuova prima dell'inizio del Sei Nazioni 2008, ingrandendo e approfondendo soprattutto la sezione statistica e quella storica.

Perciò ho bisogno di una mano, visto che su internet si trova di tutto, ma non tutto, e molte cose le sto trovando incomplete... ho bisogno della lista completa di tutti Coach della Scozia e dell' Irlanda , possibilmente con il periodo in cui sono stati in carica. c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi?

GRAZIE!!!

cavoli io se vuoi al massimo ti posso passare le formazioni dell'irlanda dal 1874 al 1999 in tutte le partite che hanno giocato ma credo siano solo i giocatori.

ti ringrazio, ai giocatori posso accedere dalla sezione statistica del sito scrum.com, purtroppo sono gli allenatori che sono più difficili da trovare...

Per quanto riguarda gli allenatori ho tutto di Galles, Inghilterra, Francia e naturalmente Italia, qui di seguito quello che ho ricostruito di Scozia e Irlanda dalle frammentarie informazioni sparse per la rete:

SCOZIA
15/9/2005 - in attività: Frank Hadden

Dicembre 2003 - Aprile 2005: Matt Williams

precedentemente sono stati coach della Scozia:

nel 1990 e nel 1999 (presumibilmente anche in tutto il decennio compreso): Ian McGeechan

prima degli anni 90': Derrick Grant

IRLANDA
2001 - in carica: Eddie Sullivan
1998-2001: Warren Gatland
1997-1998: Brian Ashton

tra questi 7 anni ma non so quando: Murray Kidd

1987-1990: Jimmy Davidson
fine 1984-1987: Mick Doyle

prima del 1984 ma non so da quando: Willie John McBride

1975-1977: Ricky Meates
1969-1974: Ronnie Dawson


Come Vedi quello della Scozia è tutto da ricostruire, per l'Irlanda invece mi manca di sapere solo qualche nome...

Rinnovo l'invito, chiunque sapesse aiutarmi a finire il puzzle mi sarebbe di grande aiuto

Scotland:

In 1971 the SRU appointed Bill Dickinson as their head coach..

Jim Telfer became national coach in 1980...

Fonte: Wikipedia... di più non ho trovato al momento.. continuo a cercare...

Willie John McBride "It is fair to say that when I look back on my career, that series, like my season coaching Ireland in 1983, was not my happiest experience".

fonte: Legends of Irish Rugby, John Scally.

MURRAY KIDD IS IS NEW IRISH RUGBY COACH
Independent, The (London), Oct 14, 1995

The Irish Rugby Football Union yesterday appointed the New Zealand- born Murray Kidd as national team coach. Murray, 41, takes up his duties with immediate effect. Murray is resident in Ireland, was coach to All- Ireland League Divsion Two side Sunday's Well and previously coached Garryowen to the Irish Championship in 1991-92.



quindi Kidd 1995-1997, essendo poi stato sostituito da Ashton

1987-1990 Jim Davidson
1990-1992 Ciaran Fitzgerald
1992-1995 Gerry Murphy


dal sito del Leinster Rugby:
Gerry Murphy – 'A' Team Manager

Gerry played for Dublin University and Wanderers where he began his coaching career.

He spent a season with Clontarf before coaching the Ireland Under-21 squad and the Development squad that toured South Africa.

The Dubliner then led Ireland from 1992-’95 including successive victories over England in Dublin in 1993 and Twickenham in 1994 and his spell concluded by guiding Ireland to a quarter-final place in the 1995 Rugby World Cup in South Africa.



da BBC Sport, 29 aprile 2007
Former Ireland and Ulster coach Jimmy Davidson died peacefully on Saturday after a long illness. He was 64.

Davidson was said to be a coach well ahead of his time with many of his ideas now utilised in the modern game.

He took over an average Ulster squad back in 1983 and proceeded to guide them to three successive inter-provincial Grand Slam titles.

As a flanker he won six caps for Ireland and had a three-year spell as national coach from 1987 to 1990.



da Wikipedia

4 June 1952) is a former Irish rugby union footballer who played hooker. He captained Ireland to the Triple Crown in 1983 and 1985, and the British Lions on their losing tour to New Zealand in 1983.

Irish national rugby coach 1990- 1992
Preceded by
Jim Davidson
Succeeded by
Gerry Murphy

1983-1984 Willie John McBride
1984-1987 Mick Doyle

(da wikipedia)

sempre wikipedia

A. R. "Ronnie" Dawson (born June 5, 1932 in Dublin, Ireland) played hooker for Ireland and was Captain of the British and Irish Lions rugby team on their 1959 tour to Australia and New Zealand.

Following his retirement from playing rugby at the highest level, Ronnie was instrumental in developing coaching of the game in Ireland, setting up coaching structures and was the first Irish coach in 1971.

appena scritto all'IRFU

da: Damiano Benzoni
a: info@irishrugby.ie
oggetto: Irish coaches
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Good morning,
I'm an Italian rugby writer and I'm currently helping a research intended to make a list of all the coaches of the Irish National Team. I currently have this stub:

1971- ? A.R. "Ronnie" Dawson (first ever Irish National Team coach)
- gap -
1983-1984 Willie John McBride
1984-1987 Mick Doyle
1987-1990 Jim Davidson
1990-1992 Ciaran Fitzgerald
1992-1995 Gerry Murphy
1995-1997 Murray Kidd
1997-1998 Brian Ashton
1998-2001 Warren Gatland
2001 - present Eddie O'Sullivan

I would be very grateful if you could emend this list of any mistake and complete the information that is lacking.
Thanks in advance for your attention and kind cooperation.
Regards,
Damiano "Billie" Benzoni

http://pickandgo.info/ e molto utile
Jeppo

http://sport.scotsman.com/guidetoscotti ... 2397590.jp

articolo sull'"Età di Telfer" del rugby scozzese.
Ora me lo leggo e cerco di cavarne informazioni

1977-1980 Nairn McEwan
1980-1982 Jim Telfer
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1983/84 Jim Telfer
1984/85 Colin Telfer
1985/86-1988 Derek Grant
1988-1993 Ian Robert McGeechan
1993-1998 Richie Dixon
1998-1999 Jim Telfer
1999-2003 Ian Robert McGeechan
2003-2005 Matt Williams
2005-present Frank Hadden

After this, the 1983 season was a disappointment, with only one victory, though that was at Twickenham in the last match. It was the first Calcutta Cup win since 1976 and only the second at Twickenham since the 1939-45 war. There were extenuating circumstances. Telfer had temporarily relinquished the coaching job, having been appointed the Lions coach in New Zealand the following summer.
(The age of Telfer di Allan Massie, Scotsman, 29 gennaio 2003)

Scots revert to old hands McGeechan and Telfer

SCOTLAND yesterday reverted to the 'tried and trusted' old hands of Lions coaches Jim Telfer and Ian McGeechan to steer them out of their current crisis with a Five Nations opener only a week away.
Telfer, who retains his post as director of rugby, will take over the role of head coach vacated by the resignation of Richie Dixon on Thursday.
Working alongside him, as he did so successfully in orchestrating the Lions' series victory over South Africa in the summer, will be McGeechan — although only in the existing capacity he is currently employed in by the SRU.
(International Sports, febbraio 1998)

da: Damiano Benzoni
a: Mike O'Reilly - Murrayfield Library Services Manager
oggetto: Scottish National Team Coaches
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Good morning,
I'm an Italian rugby writer and I'm currently helping a research intended to make a list of all the coaches of the Scottish National Team. I currently have this stub:

1977-1980 Nairn McEwan
1980-1982 Jim Telfer
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1983-1984 Jim Telfer
1984-1985 Colin Telfer
1985-1988 Derek Grant
1988-1993 Ian Robert McGeechan
1993-1998 Richie Dixon
1998-1999 Jim Telfer
1999-2003 Ian Robert McGeechan
2003-2005 Matt Williams
2005-present Frank Hadden

I would be very grateful if you could emend this list of any mistake and complete the information that is lacking. Was there someone in charge before 1977 and what was his name? Who took on the coaching role while Jim Telfer was touring with the British & Irish Lions in 1983? When did he relinquish the job and then get it back for that Lions tour?
Thanks in advance for your attention and kind cooperation.
Regards,
Damiano "Billie" Benzoni

automessage: Mike O'Reilly è fuori ufficio fino al 24 dicembre e risponderà al suo ritorno

Bill Dickinson dovrebbe risultare essere il primo coach della nazionale scozzese, entrato in carica nel 1971

Gordon Brown and Alastair McHarg formed Scotland's stockroom in some twenty occasions, benefiting from their association with Bill Dickinson of Jordanhill College, Scotland's first national coach and one of the great coaches of forward play.
(Monday, 19 March, 2001, 15:10 GMT
Bill McLaren on Brown
BBC Sport)