Tri Nations 2010

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da DVD » 14 set 2010, 2:00

rivel1 ha scritto:sti australiani.. sanno il programma della partita prima che questa inizi!
scusate per la "traduzione quasi letterale". Volevo dire il libricino dove ci son interviste, curiosita', statistiche giocatori etc etc. Vale solo per quella serata perche' era per NZ vs. Aus.

Comunque, prezzi a parte lo spettacolo e' stato notevole. Sia in campo che sugli spalti. Divertenti gli sfotto' tra i kiwi e gli aussie :) solo verbale e sempre simpatico, senza mai sfociare a) nel verbale; b) in rissa.
E dopo tutti insieme a bere! :)

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da Pakeha_70 » 16 set 2010, 0:03

Questa l'opinione degli arbitri SAfricani sulla meta di McCaw.
Meta da annullare (e questo era chiaro a tutti) e penalità contro O'Connor... :wink:

http://www.sareferees.co.za/laws/laws_e ... 639382.htm

McCaw's try.

Richie McCaw's try with 14 minutes to play was a vital component in New Zealand's comeback to beating Australia 23-22 in Sydney. In terms of the Laws of the Game it is also interesting.

A penalty against James Slipper at a scrum gives the New Zealand a line-out near the Australian line. They maul and drive the maul towards the line. As they get closer Dean Mumm of Australia comes in the side. The referee sees this and puts an arm out, saying: "Advantage."

New Zealand come close to scoring but Australia hold them out. New Zealand go left in vain and then right, and then Piri Weepu feeds the backs but as Ma'a Nonu gets the ball, he gets Lachie Turner, and the ball flies backwards.

The referee then goes to the penalty five metres from the Australian line, 15 metres in from touch. New Zealand opt for a scrum.

Weepu of New Zealand feeds the scrum. The referee, as is so common now, stands on the opposite side of the scrum from Weepu.

New Zealand heel and the scrum collapses. (It is worth noting that before the ball is out Richie McCaw, packing on the left flank, breaks away.

The referee orders a rescrum - same procedure as before.

New Zealand win the scrum and the ball comes to Kieran Read at the back. He holds the ball, and then unbinds, picks up the ball and passes it to McCaw on his left who is two metres or so from the scrum.

McCaw runs round to score and move the score from 22-9 to 22-16 with Weepu's conversion.

All OK?

Not really.

Watch McCaw on the left flank, the side where both scrumhalves are, where the referee is not.

Law 20.1 (e) Number of players: eight. A scrum must have eight players from each team. All eight players must stay bound to the scrum until it ends. Each front row must have three players in it, no more and no less. Two locks must form the second row.
Sanction: Penalty kick


All eight players must stay bound to the scrum until it ends. The ball is certainly in the scrum when McCaw releases his binding, unbinds.

Law 20.3 BINDING IN THE SCRUM

DEFINITION
When a player binds on a team-mate that player must use the whole arm from hand to shoulder to grasp the team-mate’s body at or below the level of the armpit. Placing only a hand on another player is not satisfactory binding.


While the ball is still in the scrum, McCaw becomes unbound. He is liable to a penalty. That is the sanction for not being bound before the scrum is over.

When is the scrum over? It is over when ball comes out in the scrum or the ball in the scrum goes into in-goal and then the third way:

Law 20.10 (c) Hindmost player unbinds. The hindmost player in a scrum is the player whose feet are nearest the team’s own goal-line. If the hindmost player unbinds from the scrum with the ball at that player’s feet and picks up the ball, the scrum ends.

McCaw could legally unbind only when Read had unbound and picked up the ball.

There is no argument that McCaw's unbinding has no effect on play. It enables him to get out wide for a try. It has a seven-point effect.

It must surely be physically impossible for a flank to get outside of the No.8 legally, unless the No.8 runs with the ball. Read does not tun with the ball and McCaw is off the scrum and away from it by the time Read picks up.

He should have been penalised.

Could the assistant referee have pointed this out to the referee?

Yes.

Should the assistant referee have pointed this out to the referee?

Yes.

Mind you the referee was in a reasonable position to make his own decision.

But that is not all.

Have a look at James O'Connor.

Have a look at him in the light of the following law:

Law 20.12 (g) Offside for players not in the scrum. Players who are not in the scrum and who are not the team’s scrum half, are offside if they remain in front of their offside line or overstep the offside line which is a line parallel to the goal lines and 5 metres behind the hindmost player of each team in a scrum.
Sanction: Penalty kick on the offside line

(h) If the hindmost foot of a team is on or behind that team’s goal line, the offside line for scrum halves and non-participants is the goal line.


Also have a look at Elsom on the right of the Australian scrum. When McCaw starts to move away from, the scrum he also moves away from the scrum as he needs to guard the wily McCaw.

So we have O'Connor offside, McCaw off early and Elsom off early.

There are lots of people involved in a confined space. Even with slow time it is hard to pick it up. How much harder in real time. Phil Kearns, the commentator, had many negative things to say about the officiating but was silent on this one. It was complex.

Two principles are involved here - the principle of first infringement and the principle which says two wrongs do not make a right.

McCaw was wrong, which means that the try should not have stood. That would take us back to the first infringement - a penalty against O'Connor.

No doubt New Zealand would have opted for another scrum.

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da gcruta » 16 set 2010, 8:05

Incredibile... la pensavo (e la penso tuttora) come gli arbitri sudafricani!

JONATHAN KAPLAN MI FA UN BAFFO!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Tuco: "Ci... ci ri... rivedre..."
Il Biondo: "Ci rivedremo, idioti. E' per te."

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da Laporte » 18 set 2010, 23:09

Il più insulso tri nations della storia si è chiuso.
Inultso perchè una formula basata su 9 settimane, non ha senso quando in campo ci sono 3 squadre e dopo 3 partite è gia tutto deciso.

Una formula suicida, una vera brodaglia , e non lo dico da oggi ma dal 2006.

Segu il 3N dal 19988, ma non rimpiango di aver perso qualche partita avendo il sabato e domenica molto da fare in questo periodo...
Nons o neanche s ele uarderò in registrata con calma nell'inverno.

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da nino22 » 19 set 2010, 12:17

Ho visto solo adesso Australia - Nuova Zelanda, la partita è stata piacevole, soprattutto in alcune fasi, nonostante in palio non ci fosse nulla.
Australia al solito farfallone, tanto fumo e niente arrosto, poi se a voi piace tenetevi il bel gioco e lasciate ad altri le vittorie.

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da cdric » 24 set 2010, 18:37

adesso che è finito il tri nations i nazionali neozelandesi giocano nella ITM cup, i sudafricani giocano la currie cup e gli australiani? Qualcuno sa dirmi come si chiama il campionato dalla quale provengono i giocatori che poi da fabbraio formano le 5 squadre del super 15

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Re: Tri Nations 2010

Messaggio da DVD » 25 set 2010, 1:52

cdric ha scritto:adesso che è finito il tri nations i nazionali neozelandesi giocano nella ITM cup, i sudafricani giocano la currie cup e gli australiani? Qualcuno sa dirmi come si chiama il campionato dalla quale provengono i giocatori che poi da fabbraio formano le 5 squadre del super 15
In australia esiste un campionato di club in ogni stato. Gli unici campionati di livello dove ogni tanto si vede qualche wallabies o comunque qualche giocatore di S14 sono quelli di QLD e NSW. La premiership di Sydney e quella di Brisbane sono gli unici duie campionati. Questi campionati pero' iniziano ad Aprile e son gia' finiti. Per cui per gli australiani in nazionale non c'e' piu' nulla.

Questo e' un comportamento miope e molto molto testardo di pochi club appartenenti alle premiership di Sydney e Brisbane (ancora con la testa a l1920) che si son sempre opposti ad alternative sia di calendario che di creazione di un campionato nazionale.

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