Tri Nations 2009

[BACCIOCK]

[quote="Pukana"]per chi (non ricordo) diceva che se fossi Kiwi ringrazieresti Joe Rocokocko....putroppo si sbaglia di grosso in quanto lo vorremmo fuori subito sottoposto a processo per essere ricondizionato, ristrutturato, riappacificato, ricostruito, riomologato, rifunzionato. e' uno scandalo che ancora ha la maglia addosso.


Beh, tu sei un tifoso, e come tutti i ifosi ragionate a modo vostro.........
Come vedi però, quelli che contano (ad esempio Henry), la pensano diversamente.
Capisco che la cosa ti faccia rosicare parecchio................... un onsiglio, rifattela con Henry.

[Pukana]

per chi (non ricordo) diceva che se fossi Kiwi ringrazieresti Joe Rocokocko....putroppo si sbaglia di grosso in quanto lo vorremmo fuori subito sottoposto a processo per essere ricondizionato, ristrutturato, riappacificato, ricostruito, riomologato, rifunzionato. e' uno scandalo che ancora ha la maglia addosso.


Beh, tu sei un tifoso, e come tutti i ifosi ragionate a modo vostro.........
Come vedi però, quelli che contano (ad esempio Henry), la pensano diversamente.
Capisco che la cosa ti faccia rosicare parecchio................... un onsiglio, rifattela con Henry.

ma che e'? ma che sei mangiato un albero de limoni stamattina???????????????????????

io ho soltanto risposto a chi (a questo punto credo sia tu) diceva se fossi un kiwi lo ringrazieresti. te dico de no. quindi dal monento che forse ne so piu io di cosa ne pensano i kiwi (e non Henry che e' evidente che la pensi in maniera differente non abbiamo bisogno della tua puntualizzazione) che tu, magari statte zitto!!! (sta romanita' non mi veniva fuori da tanto tempo).

OT: DVD mai fermata sulla highway in Auckland ma un paio di volte mentre viaggiavo tra Auckland ed Hamilton ho clikkato 150k/h na salassata de multa e 30 punti di demerito pe gamba manno tolto.

[Alucard]

da planetrugby:
After nine matches and 720 minutes of Tri-Nations rugby, we've knuckled down to bring you what we believe is the form XV to come out of this year's tournament.

With South Africa crowned deserved champions, it was hard not to leave out the core of their winning team and few - we hope - will argue with the majority of green and gold players in the mix.

New Zealand aren't left out in the cold though, and we've picked three members of the All Blacks side that finished second on the table but the last-placed Wallabies can only dish up one player with their wooden spoon.

15 Frans Steyn (South Africa): His all-round play aside, South Africa's boy wonder proved once again why he carries match-winning status with that monster boot of his! Granted he only booted three penalties against New Zealand in Hamilton, but when all of them are from halfway or further... well, the look on the All Blacks' faces told the story. Steyn also proved finally that full-back is where he belongs - he was tactically efficient and strong on defence.

14 Cory Jane (New Zealand): This was a tough position to fill in a tournament that lacked quality ball out wide. However after much deliberation, we felt Jane's presence in the two games he started against Australia made a telling impact. He is a powerful, balanced runner with great feet and an ability to stand up in the tackle that almost ended with a score against the Boks in Hamilton. He eventually did cross the whitewash against the Wallabies at Westpac Stadium in a game that earned him our man-of-the-match award.

13 Jaque Fourie (South Africa): This was a toss up between Fourie and Adam Ashley-Cooper, who perhaps loses out due to playing three different positions in the gold jersey - but definitely showed his versatility. Fourie's partnership with Jean de Villiers was also the cornerstone of the Boks' success and we couldn't have one in and not the other. The number thirteen's ability to punch holes in the opposing defence was a big feature of his game, and his defence was rock solid... It's a shame that he had to pay so severely for it after his tackle on Ma'a Nonu.

12 Jean de Villiers (South Africa): De Villiers' uncanny knack for intercept tries came to the fore once again in Hamilton, but it was his strong communication skills in the back-line and punishing defence that saw him rise above Berrick Barnes and Ma'a Nonu (who also deserve special mention). The Munster-bound centre will be sorely missed by his country - a huge loss to the green and gold jersey.

11 Bryan Habana (South Africa): The combination of pace, acceleration, anticipation and quick feet once again made Habana a real threat with and without the ball. The Springbok flyer wrote his name in the form book following some excellent work in South Africa's kick-and-chase game-plan. He put an incredible amount of pressure on his opposite numbers that kept the Boks on top throughout. Went looking for work when he didn't get any ball, and when he did he bagged two tries for his team.

10 Morné Steyn (South Africa): Playing in his first Tri-Nations series, Steyn beat off strong competition from the likes of Dan Carter and Matt Giteau to get our vote. And can you really argue with us? Let's go through the facts: Comes off the bench and kicks three penalties to put the All Blacks away in Bloemfontein, then scored all 31 points to achieve a very rare double over New Zealand, follow that up with seven penalties and a monster drop to sink the Wallabies in Cape Town, scored 18 points in total against Australia on their home turf and ended with a 100 per cent kicking record (two penalties, two conversions, one drop) against New Zealand in Hamilton to seal the deal for South Africa. Enough said.

9 Fourie du Preez (South Africa): Easiest selection of the lot. Du Preez is a class apart from the rest and is arguably the best scrum-half in the world at the moment. His decision-making and option taking were seldom less than exceptional, and backed by a great set of skills. Got the ball rolling in Perth with a quick tap-and-go that caught the Wallabies napping, and scored a crucial try against the All Blacks in Hamilton. The best of the best.

8 Kieran Read (New Zealand): Pierre Spies may have played more games than Read, but we felt the iron-man Bok offered less on attack and defence than his opposite number who is really starting to make a name for himself in the black jersey. While Spies brings the physical aspect to the game, we just reckon Read is the complete package that delivered every time he took to the field.

7 Richie McCaw (New Zealand): New Zealand's captain courageous had a quiet start (if you can call scoring a try in the opening match quiet?), but clicked into the influential figure we have all become accustomed to seeing for the defending champs. A truly fine player, and made a phenomenal impact.

6 Heinrich Brüssow (South Africa): The Springbok rookie grabbed the opportunity offered by Schalk Burger's suspension (eight weeks for eye-gouging) so eagerly that he was once described by Bok captain John Smit as the find of the season - we couldn't agree more.

5 Victor Matfield (South Africa): South Africa's kingpin in the line-out was quite literally head and shoulders above the rest. Was the instigator for South Africa poaching nine line-out balls from Australia at Newlands and bagged a try in the same game, where he was named man of the match. Never afraid to get stuck in, Matfield - together with Bakkies Botha - are in a league of their own.

4 Bakkies Botha (South Africa): The Bok 'enforcer' formed a devastating locking partnership with Matfield and proved yet again just why the South African duo are rated the best in the world. We're pretty sure opposition on the international scene can't wait for them to hang up their boots!

3 John Smit (South Africa, captain): Smit was instrumental in leading his country to the Tri-Nations title this year and South Africa just perform better when he's on the field. End of story. While Smit's leadership was the biggest contributing factor in our selection, his performance at tighthead was met with mixed response. Ben Alexander and Owen Franks can take consolation knowing that their scrummaging duties did not go unnoticed.

2 Bismarck du Plessis (South Africa): Du Plessis must be doing something right to keep his captain at prop and showed why from start to finish. He may be a number two, but Du Plessis proved he's number one with strong showings in the scrum and with his line-out throwing (though it's hard not to get it right when Matfield is your target). Andrew Hore, voted New Zealand's most valuable player last year, will have been taking notes.

1 Benn Robinson (Australia): Australia's sole representative in our team of the tournament shades New Zealand's Tony Woodcock by a whisker. Robinson's rise in prominence has come at a time of positive development from the gold scrum, after getting the better of South Africa on a number of occasions. Woodcock outmuscled Robinson in Wellington, but for the most part of the Tri-Nations - it was the Wallaby heavyweight who was on top.

On the bench: 16 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 Tony Woodcock, 18 Brad Thorn, 19 George Smith, 20 Matt Giteau (yes, we're using him as our back-up halfback - he's played there before!), 21 Dan Carter, 22 Adam Ashley-Cooper.

[Pakeha_70]

Come, non c'è Rokocoko?

15 Steyn
14 Jane
13 Fourie
12 JDV
11 Habana
10 Carter
9 FdP
8 Spies
7 Brussow
6 Elsom
5 Matfield
4 Botha
3 Franks
2 BdP
1 Robinson

[madflyhalf]

Credo che per la prima volta da quando guardo il 3N su Sky (cioè quando era ancora Telepiù!), sia più facile fare il Peggior XV che il Miglior XV, non trovate??!

Comunque quoto di più la formazione di Pakeha... Elsom a blindside è stato una certezza! E John Smit non mi è sembrato il miglior 3 che si sia visto! Anche se lascio Morné Steyn 10... giusto perché Carter mi ha rotto i maroni!
L'avessero fatto giocare di più, avrei messo anche Polota-Nau nel XV titolare, però 2 partite di cui una persa non è granché...

[madflyhalf]

Ricomincia l'arrampicata libera sugli specchi di Graham Henry:

Dall'Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 92648.html

Henry, in a comprehensive post-2009 Tri-Nations tournament analysis, spoke at some length regarding his views on the modern game and the prospects for New Zealand going forward. For example, he equated some rugby games these days to tennis matches, with the ball constantly to-ing and fro-ing in the air.

But perhaps the most surprising was his insistence that technology is a significant reason for the increasing transformation of the game.

“Technology is undoubtedly a factor behind this. The quality of the ball, like everything else such as the quality of the boots, is constantly improving. It means you can now kick the ball a long way out of hand and to goal. Guys are kicking the ball 60 metres these days because the ball has improved so much."


“We can’t increase the length of the field; there might be opposition to that at places like Twickenham and Eden Park. But on the same size field as long ago, you can now kick the ball 10-15 metres further. That changes both the nature of the game and the nature of the penalty.”

Ommioddio!
Se dice così, è perché c'ha pensato veramente!!

In particolare vorrei sottolineare una cosa sulle frasi:
"Guys are kicking the ball 60 metres these days because the ball has improved so much" e
"you can now kick the ball 10-15 metres further"

Vero verissimo.

Però questi "guys" e questo "you" sembrano essere solo sudafricani... o per lo meno: sembra che in NZ non ci siano persone in grado di fare quello (o comunque non sono negli ABs!)!

Quindi, caro Henry, il problema è la tecnologia che migliora, oppure il fatto che alcune squadre sanno sfruttare al meglio i propri talenti e quelle squadre non sono la NZ?

Perla delle perle:
“But there are several ways of solving this. You could reduce the penalty to 1 point.”

Sì oh, a sto punto aggiungi che McCaw non può prendere calci contro, poi è fatta!! Eddai...

È proprio vero, nella sconfitta si è tutti uguali, ma peggio sono quelli che alla sconfitta non sono abituati!

[Pakeha_70]

Sai quanto io ami Henry però non mi puoi tagliare l'intervista a metà proprio quando smette di sparare cazzate e dice le poche cose serie per cui valeva la pena di perder tempo a leggere questo articolo...


“It’s been a pretty disruptive year. We gave it our best shot but we weren’t good enough, South Africa were better than us and we didn’t have consistent performances. I am not making excuses but there were several reasons for that.

Now, he said, unless you had very good first phase ball, it was hard to be in a game because it was now one of field positions and New Zealand’s well documented difficulties at the line-out precluded that much of the time.

Yet he spelt out the brutal truth to his players. “Until we can get some consistent first phase, set piece ball it doesn’t matter what style you want to play, you will struggle. If we can do that, and I am sure we can, then you can play the game you want to play. But until we get that part of our game right, we are not going to compete.

“Have we got the personnel to do it? Yes, I think so. There were good signs in the last game but until we can do that against South Africa we are going to struggle. But at least one or two guys started to put their hands up. Corey Jane had a good Test match against the Wallabies and Isaia Toeava, a young guy we have been hoping to see things from, is starting to get his feet under the table. Then there was Adam Thomson. He has made remarkable progress this season.

[madflyhalf]

È un allenatore, sarebbe preoccupante se sparasse solo cazzate!

Ma se passi dalla home degli sport dell'independent, il titolo diceva Graham Henry: 'Because of the rules, sides don’t take risks'
As you can see here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/


E soprattutto, visto che ho messo il link, non mi piace ricopiare pari pari l'intervista con un mero copia e incolla (visto che potete leggere al link), piuttosto preferisco commentare qualche splendida uscita...

Pakeha, c'è da discutere sull'indegna prestazione ABs e del management di questo 3N?
No... siamo tutti d'accordo, quindi non c'è niente d'interessante, tantomeno per perderci del tempo!

Allora lasciami tagliare quello che mi pare!

[Pakeha_70]

in effetti sarebbe stato peggio se avessi tagliato un pezzo di intervista su... Rokocoko

[Pakeha_70]

Poi mi sono scordato...

Anche se facessero tutte le modifiche che vuole, i mark, i palloni, i campi, i punti per favorire il gioco aperto, poi perderebbe lo stesso... perchè questa squadra (quella di quest'anno intendo, giocatori e stato di forma) è scarsa e ha più volte dimostrato di non essere in grado di giocare quel tanto decantato e mitico gioco aperto e divertente di cui Henry si riempe la bocca.

[madflyhalf]

Bah credo sia poi più provocazione... il primo a non credere a queste cose per me è proprio Henry!